Spies on Television & Radio ~
Robert Vaughn – The
Man from U.N.C.L.E. Is Alive and Kicking
By Wesley Britton
This interview was originally posted March 2002 online on the
“Channel D” list. Thus, it was conducted long before
the flurry of interest in the British-produced Hustle,
Vaughn’s “Tell them you mean business”
insurance commercials, and discussions of a hoped-for Man
from U.N.C.L.E. film and DVD release.
In 2002, my purpose was to ask Vaughn about his lesser-known
spy TV series like The Protectors and The
A-Team, along with his thoughts on the longevity of
U.N.C.L.E., so these are the main points covered
Fans of U.N.C.L.E. might enjoy looking over the
other postings here including articles on MFU comics,
a movie script never produced, a collector’s guide, and a
review of The Protectors on DVD. For much more
information, see my book Spy Television (Praeger
Publishers, 2004) for which this interview was arranged.
Actor Robert Vaughn and Wes Britton at the Montgomery Fairgrounds
Antique Show, Gaithersburg, MD, February 2002.
On February 9th, 2002, I gave myself a mission and gratefully
accepted it. My mission: to attend the Montgomery Fairgrounds
Antique Show in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and interview my childhood
hero – actor Robert Vaughn, AKA Napoleon Solo, the
“Man From U.N.C.L.E.”
I’ve had harder missions.
Arriving at the autograph tables early in the morning, I saw him
– Robert Vaughn, the walking definition of secret agent
elegance and style. He was sitting between two lovely actresses also
there to be seen and greet fans. On Vaughn’s left sat Karen
Black, star of countless films and TV shows of the 1970s and beyond.
On his right sat Linda Harrison, best known for her role as Nova,
Charlton Heston’s love interest in the first two
Planet of the Apes epics. Despite their distracting charms,
it was Vaughn I had come to see, and he quickly agreed to speak with
me over the noon hour.
For several hours before our conversation, my wife Betty and I
shopped in the four rooms of collectibles, looking carefully for
U.N.C.L.E. memorabilia for Napoleon, er, Robert to sign.
Amidst all the carefully organized boxes and displays of Baby Boom
nostalgia, I found it – the ideal souvenir for the occasion.
One dealer sold me a vintage 1966 16 magazine
featuring a spread called “The Life of Robert Vaughn in 50
Photos.” What could be more perfect – the life of the
star of U.N.C.L.E., The A-Team, and
countless films and TV appearances signed by the man himself?
I should have known better.
When I returned to the autograph table for our talk, my wife
showed Vaughn the magazine. His excitement was obvious as he
looked over the pictures. With tones revealing his own nostalgia for
times past he said, “I’ve never seen this before. I
was so much taller then. There’s my high school
Of course, my good-hearted spouse had to say it –
“Why don’t you give it to him?”
“I was thinking about that. . . ” muses I,
But before my thought had jelled, the magazine disappeared
from view faster than any spy’s conjuring trick. Turning to
me, Vaughn said, “So what is it you’d like to ask
Clearly, I’d paid my price of admission.
Of course, I’d thought out just what I wanted to ask,
as I was researching information for my book, Spy
Television, then a manuscript in search of a publisher.
Being a lifelong U.N.C.L.E. fan, I knew Vaughn’s
ex-partner, David McCallum, had become so tired of discussing
his role as Illya Kuryakin in the show, he refused to answer any
more questions about the old days. While Vaughn has always
been more talkative about his years in the forefront of American
popular culture, I suspected few questions I could ask hadn’t
been asked and answered many times before.
So I started by inquiring into why Vaughn left the States after
his most successful series had been cancelled in 1968 – a
subject of much conjecture by fans on ongoing and very lively online
list-serves devoted to what was once the most influential series on
television. Many aficionados had speculated Vaughn»s
choice to leave America was based on the political problems of the
era, notably the assassination of Vaughn’s personal friend,
Robert F. Kennedy. Was this so?
It was. Vaughn said firmly, “I was working in
Czechoslovakia when the Russians invaded in August of 1968, and
that, combined with the Vietnam War, and the election of Richard
Nixon, I decided I’d spend some time outside of the United
States. For the next four years, almost five years, I was based in
London and did television series for three years, various films in
England and on the Continent and in Italy.’
Wes interviews “The Man from U.N.C.L.E.”.
At that time, it was widely reported Vaughn planned to leave
acting to enter politics. Was this true? “Well, I actually
hadn’t talked about it, but the fan magazines had talked
about it. I never had any personal interest myself. I was basically
opposing the war which was not a political issue to me. It was an
international, humanity issue.”
During this self-imposed exile, Vaughn starred as Harry Rule
in a little-known series called The Protectors, a
30-minute show later syndicated in the U.S., from 1972 to 1973.
As Vaughn had said he didn’t want to do any further
television series after U.N.C.L.E.,, I asked how this
came about. He told me Sir Lew Grade, who ran all of
Britain’s commercial programming at that time, called his
agent in England and asked if Vaughn would be interested in doing
a spy show there.
&rlquo;I said I wasn’t very interested,” he
told me, “and then they said, ‘Well, it’s
only a half-hour show, you’d only be here one year,’
and they offered a pretty good deal. I didn»t realize that
in England, it took them five to six to seven days to shoot a
half-hour show whereas in America it would take only three days.
I wound up doing a second season, so I was there almost three
The Protectors wasn’t a show the actor
was especially proud of. “I wasn’t too happy with
the quality of the stories, but I had a wonderful time. I lived in
London. Every weekend we spent in some place in England,
Ireland, or Scotland. We did a lot of filming, actually, on the
continent in Spain, Italy, Germany, Denmark, and just about every
country available in Europe.”
After his return to the States, Vaughn’s acting career
continued in earnest, with both starring roles and guest appearances
in films and television series such as The Magnificent
Seven, Superman III, Kung Fu: The Legend
Continues, Columbo, Law and Order,
and one episode of Diagnosis: Murder which featured
three other TV spies from the ‘60s, Patrick Macnee, Barbara
Bain, and Robert Culp.
But one starring role didn’t make it. “I did a quick
series that didn’t last very long called Emerald
Point.” Starring Dennis Weaver, the series “was
done by the same people who did Dynasty and
Dallas and it was kind of supposedly a show with that
kind of orientation that took place in the Navy. It only lasted half a
In 1985, Vaughn starred as General Hunt Stockwell, a role
designed to boost the ratings of the once-popular series The
A-Team, best remembered for the presence of Mr. T and his
catch-phrase, “I pity the fool.” But after dropping
ratings, Vaughn said he was asked to come in at the request of an
old friend. “The guy that produced The A-Team,
his name is John Ashley, he’s since died, he was an actor.
We were both young actors in our twenties when we came to
Hollywood . . . He remembered me from our early days.”
(For a time, John Ashley was married to Deborah Walley, with whom
he appeared in the Frankie Avalon/Annette Funicello Beach
The show lasted only one more season, but during that year,
one memorable episode teamed Vaughn with his old pal, David
McCallum. In that adventure, “The Say U.N.C.L.E.
Affair” (first broadcast on Oct. 31, 1986), McCallum played
a former partner of General Stockwell’s who’d
become a traitor and an agent for the Red Chinese. What was it
like, I wondered, for the two friends to reunite? “We had
a lot of fun. We keep in touch. David lives in New York City, I live
in Connecticut about an hour north of New York City so we’re
in touch from time to time on the phone and personally.”
We chatted about the ongoing interest in what might seem to
non-fans as a show long ago relegated to TV history – of
course, I mean The Man from U.N.C.L.E.. Despite its
few appearances on the small screen since its first run from 1964
to1968, five internet groups are devoted to the series, a detailed
“web ring” of U.N.C.L.E. sites grow
seemingly each month, and an ongoing series of CD albums of
original soundtracks continue to sell well.
After 9/11, much discussion revolved around the fact that the
war on terror would likely require just such an international
organization as U.N.C.L.E. (The United Network Command for
Law and Enforcement).
What, I asked Vaughn, is the reason The Man from
U.N.C.L.E. is still interesting to baby boomers now in their
“I think it relates definitely to the ongoing success of
the James Bond pictures,” Vaughn replied. “Obviously,
they’re still making them and still making a lot of money. It
is generally that genre that U.N.C.L.E. was supposed
to emulate, which was an international roguish kind of spy who
operates around the world with a lot of attractive women, and I
guess that’s why it’s still going on. ‘Cause
there were a lot of attractive women in the ‘60s that are still
on film. They may date but not the film.”
Knowing Vaughn had contributed to a dissertation by Cynthia
Walker on U.N.C.L.E. at Rutgers University, I asked
his thoughts on the meaning of such scholarly interest in his show.
“I don’t know what it all meant, philosophically or
intellectually. I know it was good fun for us to do and good fun for
people to see. I guess I’ll wait for Cynthia Walker’s
report to find out the deeper meaning of the whole thing.”
Currently, Vaughn is working on his autobiography which will
be completed “when the autobiographer, meaning me, puts
his butt in a chair long enough to wrap it up.” Meanwhile,
The Man from U.N.C.L.E. looks like it will be coming to
the big screen, and Vaughn, like his buddy David McCallum now
starring on NCIS, will be in a new series of his own in
The file on Robert Vaughn is far from complete.
Photographs from the collection of Wesley Britton.